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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 17, 2016 18:52:11 GMT -5
Smoke trades: Erick Fedde Steel trades: Ben Revere this trade is approved & processed.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 17, 2016 19:03:06 GMT -5
True trades: '16 5th round majors Teeed trades: Brandon Belt '16 7th round majors this trade is approved & processed.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 17, 2016 19:05:27 GMT -5
everything is up to date, and should be good to this point in time. lmk if i made any mistakes editing the various rosters.
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Post by orionbraun on Feb 29, 2016 21:39:27 GMT -5
Orion Braun trades: Mark Melancon
Grind trades: 2016 4th Round MLB pick 2016 2nd Round June pick
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Post by grind4mine on Feb 29, 2016 22:15:43 GMT -5
Orion Braun trades: Mark Melancon Grind trades: 2016 4th Round MLB pick 2016 2nd Round June pick Confirmed
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 29, 2016 22:43:03 GMT -5
Orion Braun trades: Mark Melancon Grind trades: 2016 4th Round MLB pick 2016 2nd Round June pick Ok. Will go process.
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Post by platanopower on Feb 29, 2016 23:19:28 GMT -5
Platano trades: 2017 2nd Round June True trades: Rymer Liriano, 2017 3rd Round June
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 29, 2016 23:24:14 GMT -5
Platano trades: 2017 2nd Round June True trades: Rymer Liriano, 2017 3rd Round June Ok. Will go process.
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Post by orionbraun on Feb 29, 2016 23:35:58 GMT -5
Got another one.
Orion Braun trades: Jonathan Lucroy
Fondy trades: 2016 6th round MLB pick Henry Owens (GmL-3)
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 29, 2016 23:37:29 GMT -5
Got another one. Orion Braun trades: Jonathan Lucroy Fondy trades: 2016 6th round MLB pick Henry Owens (GmL-3) Ok. Will go process.
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Post by orionbraun on Apr 20, 2016 22:02:39 GMT -5
Orion Braun trades:
Henry Owens (GmL-3) 6th round MLB 2017 3rd round Minors 2017
Platano Power trades:
AJ Ramos Jeremy Jeffress
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Post by platanopower on Apr 20, 2016 22:04:46 GMT -5
Orion Braun trades: Henry Owens (GmL-3) 6th round MLB 2017 3rd round Minors 2017 Platano Power trades: AJ Ramos Jeremy Jeffress Confirming
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Apr 21, 2016 1:33:15 GMT -5
i'll come back to this trade sometime tomorrow, after sleeping on it. i gotta be honest though...at first glance, it's a horrible deal...which i already told Chris.
i could be wrong about Owens, who'll be promoted to the show asap it seems...but regardless, it's putting a ton of faith in the guy...because the picks aren't adding much (if any) value to the deal at all.
here's what i do know, and question... 1) two months ago, Owens was going to be simply cut/dropped...as was Lucroy, so Chris and Nick worked something out that was mutually beneficial. 2) Freddy has closers to trade, which he should. however, is he getting reasonable value here? is he helping his team build, or hurting his team's chances to build? 3) on 5/6/15, Eduardo Rodriguez (a GmL-3 player today who I value much more than Henry Owens, now and long term) was dealt straight up for Cishek. 4) on 5/13/15, Soria + Axford were dealt for a 3rd Rd Major + a 1st Rd June.
i will do more research, etc regarding this potential deal...and i'm open to being flexible with the perceived values of the various players involved...but all that said, at first glance the bottom line is that Owens (+ one marginal pick and one irrelevant pick) is not close to fair market value for two guys closing games right now (less than a month into the season). am i wrong??? i'm not in the market for closers, so not sure exactly what i'd pay. (all i have is the league's history to go by.) however, if i were selling right now and received a similar offer, i know exactly how i'd have responded.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Apr 21, 2016 1:46:51 GMT -5
Freddy, how is this going to help your team moving forward? We can email privately, or post opinions here...whichever you prefer.
Even with cuts down the road, you're looking at a roster (keepers + GmLs) of 20+ players prior to the draft. Assuming you can use a 6th major, does that player even remotely help you? A 3rd Rd minor surely won't even be used/kept, as your prospect roster is no where close to being gutted...thus my irrelevant comment from before.
Regardless of whether the deal can be argued as fair or not, I simply don't get it from your perspective. Unless you see Owens as a future ace (a legit #1), leading that Boston staff for years to come, how is this making your squad any better tomorrow?
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Post by orionbraun on Apr 21, 2016 10:50:05 GMT -5
I don't need to defend Freddy's logic behind the trade, I'd just add that I made a bunch of different players available for him to consider (I think I sent over 6-7 different deals for him to consider) and he chose Owens. We have a string of ~20 emails from the past 10 days working on the trade. I don't think Owens needs to be "a legit #1" for this to make sense - I certainly did get Owens at a discount from Fondy, but if I were rebuilding right now, I'd happily move Ramos/Jeffress for a controllable Sonny Gray, Chris Archer, Aaron Sanchez type (not #1 guys, but certainly valuable in a 12-team league). There's a decent chance Owens gets there.
Another point of information, since John listed a few trades, I also traded Bobby Bradley (meh prospect) and a 5th round MLB pick for Jason Grilli (had been very good up to that point, ~20 saves, sub-3.00 ERA, over 12K/9) in June, before Grilli went down for the year. I listed all 3 similar-ish trades in an email to Freddy, as well.
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Post by platanopower on Apr 21, 2016 11:53:32 GMT -5
sent you an e-mail on this John
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Apr 21, 2016 17:45:30 GMT -5
sent you an e-mail on this John replied
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Apr 21, 2016 17:52:55 GMT -5
I don't need to defend Freddy's logic behind the trade, I'd just add that I made a bunch of different players available for him to consider (I think I sent over 6-7 different deals for him to consider) and he chose Owens. We have a string of ~20 emails from the past 10 days working on the trade. I don't think Owens needs to be "a legit #1" for this to make sense - I certainly did get Owens at a discount from Fondy, but if I were rebuilding right now, I'd happily move Ramos/Jeffress for a controllable Sonny Gray, Chris Archer, Aaron Sanchez type (not #1 guys, but certainly valuable in a 12-team league). There's a decent chance Owens gets there. Another point of information, since John listed a few trades, I also traded Bobby Bradley (meh prospect) and a 5th round MLB pick for Jason Grilli (had been very good up to that point, ~20 saves, sub-3.00 ERA, over 12K/9) in June, before Grilli went down for the year. I listed all 3 similar-ish trades in an email to Freddy, as well. 1) didn't include the Grilli deal above because it was from 6/30/15, where this is April. 2) completely disagree about Owens, but we all have different opinions. i get that. 3) only heard from one owner, and he thought it was ridiculous as well. 4) i'd kinda like others to chime in as well. 5) no decision yet, but tbh i'm leaning towards sending you two back to the table to negotiate further. i can buy Owens for Jeffress, but Freddy's hurting his team (now & in the future) by not getting any value for Ramos. Ramos was argued as a keeper for him when another questionable deal went thru, and he's since proven to be a top 15 closer in the league. i think there's plenty of trade history detailing the value of a guy like that. anyhow, be back later tonight. i'll try to keep an open mind. don't like being in this position, but i'm trying to be upfront and honest.
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Post by trueblue on Apr 21, 2016 18:58:50 GMT -5
Overseas now, but I was under the impression that an established closer was worth at least a fringe top 50 upside prospect. Not going to comment on the players themselves, but closers are commodities at this point. I would have liked to see at least a 1st rd minors plus a high rd majors (1-2nd) pick supplemented to the trade.
As a precedent, think I got Robert Stephenson from john 2 years ago for a meh closer. Stephenson was a breakout top 30-40 guy in high-A at the time. High risk high reward, but a nice piece... Will reserve judgement on Owens but I don't see him as equal talent to Stephenson two years ago.
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Post by Coffee's 4 Closers Only on Apr 22, 2016 16:46:16 GMT -5
This is wrong and clearly one-sided. A 6th round MLB pick and 3rd minors are worthless. Freddie, you have 2 assets to greatly improve your team. Those two picks won't come close. I was actually looking at both players a little while ago and was going to offer what ends up being a much better deal, but you didn't ask. Please, please ask around. This trade isn't even worth debating.
John, I officially ask that this trade be rejected on grounds it is greatly one-sided and not in the best interests of this league.
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Post by americansteel on Apr 22, 2016 19:41:43 GMT -5
Certainly seems one-sided on the surface. I could see if you were a big believer in Owens and his potential and you traded ONE of those guys to get him. To include another reliever who is racking up saves for virtually little else in the deal is tough to swallow. On the flip side, we all know how volatile the closer position can be so it's entirely possible both of those guys blow their opportunities and are replaced in their roles and Freddie comes out a winner if Owens pans out.
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Post by Coffee's 4 Closers Only on Apr 22, 2016 20:02:08 GMT -5
I think you make good points, especially if you add in the fact Jeffress could be traded at any time from his bad team and then not close. Then you're down to Ramos. However, that is more likely in June than April, and there is value in both right now. Owens for Ramos is plausible, however he is a GmL 3. But to give a 6th round MLB/3rd round Minors (and a 2017 at that! When would he be called up?) for Jeffress is basically giving him away when there is value. I understand OB is making a good faith effort to re-work the deal and I applaud him. This league is doing a good job policing itself. Thanks OB.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Apr 27, 2016 15:12:27 GMT -5
Chris & Freddy are still trying to work something out, I hope. Apologize for not being around much lately, but this needs to get resolved.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on May 1, 2016 22:50:58 GMT -5
Chris & Freddy are still trying to work something out, I hope. Apologize for not being around much lately, but this needs to get resolved. fwiw, this trade is dead. they gave up reworking it (at least for now) earlier in the week.
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Post by Ross on May 13, 2016 10:48:56 GMT -5
American Steel trades:
Wade Davis
Cover trades:
Clint Frazier Amir Garrett 2016 1st Round June pick
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