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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 26, 2010 16:24:46 GMT -5
whatever's on your mind, in terms of wheeling & dealing...
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Post by Smokedawg on Mar 3, 2010 11:34:05 GMT -5
If anyones interested in trading a Major league draft pick for a minor league draft pick hit me up...
I guess it would also have to include a later pick to keep things balanced
i.e. my early minor round pick and a later major round pick for your early major league pick and a later minor league pick...
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 3, 2010 13:50:03 GMT -5
awesome. very glad we're finally underway...
going to post 3 things though, with trade offers being floated around already. the league is liberal when it comes to dealing...but that said, the league can only be as good as it's managers. so, in case it's needed, 3 things to think about when dealing at this point in time...which is unique, for a keeper league.
1) If you're trading draft picks for future years, like in 2011, think about their value compared to this year. for example...next year we'll all have 8 keepers plus some GmLs...so next year's 1st Rd of the Major league draft is equitable to this year's 9th Rd. also, most of the best minor league talent will be kept. therefore, a 1st Rd Minor pick in 2011 will have a fraction of the value of a 1st Rd Minor pick this year...since no one's owned yet.
2) since there are no names/players associated with these upcoming draft picks, placing value on them can be more challenging then normal. bottom line, use the resources available. say you want to know what a 6th Rd Major pick is worth this year. go to cbs/yahoo/epsn, and see who'll get drafted in that range. or if you want to know what a 2nd Rd Minor pick is worth this year, go to my prospect thread on ctg. you can see every experts ranking there. so by doing that, you can roughly determine if trading this un-named piece for that un-named piece (or this draft pick for that draft pick) is really worth it/fair.
3) a bad example maybe...but say you trade your 12th Rd Major pick for someone's 4th Rd Minor pick. please include the missing parts. in other words, you can only fill your rosters up so far, so please make it look more like this... 12th Rd Major and 15th Rd Minor for 4th Rd Minor and 25th Rd Major The reason is that it'll keep things simple for me, in terms of the draft. The person gaining a 4th Rd Minor pick will no longer need his last (15th) minor league pick...where the person losing the 4th Rd Minor, will now be short a spot...thus the 15th Rd pick. So if you just swap those last/missing pieces in whatever deals you do, it would really help me out.
anyhow, there are many other factors to consider, like GmL status and so forth...but the bottom line is to simply use your common sense, and to research things. all that said, please wheel & deal at will. activity makes a league. in no way do i want to hinder that. i only want to put the uniqueness of this league, and it's opening season, into context.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 3, 2010 13:50:50 GMT -5
also...
i'm the opposite. i'm interested in dealing major league picks for minor league picks.
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Post by Smokedawg on Mar 3, 2010 13:55:33 GMT -5
Ive got multiple high round minor league picks on the block....
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Post by guaranteeed on Mar 3, 2010 14:23:06 GMT -5
I would like to do a little dealing as well...
looking to pick up a highish round Major league pick
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 3, 2010 15:02:08 GMT -5
sweet. love seeing the early activity.
everyone's got everyone else's e-mail. so don't be shy to shoot people offers/counter offers/etc via e-mail...
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 3, 2010 15:36:20 GMT -5
i don't want to skew perceptions, as people value things very differently. but if needed, i can also provide examples of past trades in the old/defunct keeper league...if it would help provide perspective in any way. lmk...
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Post by fondybadger on Mar 3, 2010 16:26:27 GMT -5
i don't want to skew perceptions, as people value things very differently. but if needed, i can also provide examples of past trades in the old/defunct keeper league...if it would help provide perspective in any way. lmk... I think I will provide a couple of examples, as I have already done so for a few teams. Plus it is fun to give Danger some crap... Before the start of the 2008 season, Yanks traded his 2nd round major league pick to Danger for Evan Longoria. The 2nd round pick was after every team had kept 8 players (so 96 players off the board), plus most teams had 3-5 guys who had graduated off of minor league rosters (lets use 36 more guys), so there was already 130 or so players off the board when the trade occurred. Danger was able to get the 3B to fill out his roster in Atkins (and he won the title that year with the team), Longoria was rated in the top 10 of BA at the time or close to it and had yet to have more than a cup of coffee in the big leagues. Another example is that I traded Derek Jeter last year, who at the time was my 10th or 11th best player (I already had 8 other guys I planned on keeping, including Hanley Ramirez, so he was expendable). If I did not trade him, I would have lost him and received nothing, so I lost some of my bargaining power. I traded him for Alcides Escobar and a pick that turned in to Aaron Crow. Guess what I am trying to say is that in a league with the rules the way they are, in my mind a first round minor pick (with maybe one or two exceptions) probably is not worth a top 75 major league player in year 1. That said, if someone wants to offer me one for the 4th overall minor league pick, I would listen.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 4, 2010 2:46:26 GMT -5
btw...thought of one more thing that may come up, as trading begins.
many offers go back n forth...many of which are truly "feelers" rather then true offers. they'll typically sound like "would you do this..." or something to that effect.
anyhow, because there's no yahoo button to click...make sure you have a real offer, as well as an acceptance, before posting a trade.
common sense, i know...but seen it get ugly when one side tries to go back on a deal...especially if they've received negative feedback about the deal after posting it. just try to be clear & up front with proposals, etc. and when a trade gets posted by one party, it's prolly not a bad thing for the other party to post "confirmed" underneath it.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 5, 2010 1:24:08 GMT -5
could be tempted to part with one last major league pick, if anyone else is interested...for a later/non-1st rd minor pick.
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Post by gsro on Mar 9, 2010 23:25:58 GMT -5
willling to part with my next draft pick(s)
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Post by Smokedawg on Mar 9, 2010 23:44:11 GMT -5
what you looking for in return??
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Post by gsro on Mar 9, 2010 23:52:14 GMT -5
what you looking for in return?? what do you got to offer?
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Post by Smokedawg on Mar 9, 2010 23:58:52 GMT -5
late round draft picks
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Post by gsro on Mar 10, 2010 0:01:04 GMT -5
hah which is expected, but what round you willing to part with? you looking between the 14 to 16 round?
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Post by Smokedawg on Mar 10, 2010 0:08:15 GMT -5
nah more like 20-22
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 12, 2010 16:11:49 GMT -5
not exactly sure of the best way to say this...but when discussing potential trades with someone, it's probably best to remain somewhat discreet when working on things individually.
for example, it's none of my business what specific offer you got from someone else...or conversely what specific offer you gave someone else. that's between you two guys.
if i'm also a possible trading partner...all i need to know is what you're looking to trade, and what you're looking for in return. if an offer is not enough, then say so in the normal back & forth of negotiations. but it's just not my business to have much more information then that.
using myself as an example, because i need to remain neutral...but it should apply pretty much across the board. other then that, the "give me a chance to match" can be a slippery slope. in theory, it should be great...but in practice, i'd be wary.
anyhow, everything's gone very well to date...drafts, trades, etc. throwing this out there to hopefully avoid some potential pitfalls down the road...just in case...and because i've been given (or heard about) too much info on a couple of occassions.
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Post by cubsker on Mar 12, 2010 17:25:28 GMT -5
yeah, i have to say i'm not too happy about the way my trade offer was used but I guess that's a good lesson for me. Fantasy baseball = serious bizness.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 12, 2010 19:56:10 GMT -5
yeah, i have to say i'm not too happy about the way my trade offer was used but I guess that's a good lesson for me. Fantasy baseball = serious bizness. actually, no one told me of or about any offers you made. doesn't mean it didn't happen elsewhere though. i assume we're talking about danger's pick. he didn't say anything to me either, other then roughly what he was looking to get, fwiw. but yeah...serious biz is a good way to put it.
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Post by cubsker on Mar 12, 2010 21:02:43 GMT -5
no big deal, live and learn.
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Post by Smokedawg on Mar 25, 2010 12:46:18 GMT -5
No one on my roster is untouchable (except for maybe Doc)
Shoot me a PM or an email if you wanna talk about someone....
C Russell Martin Dodgers 1B Ryan Howard Phillies 2B Ian Stewart Rockies SS Derek Jeter Yankees 3B Chipper Jones Braves OF Shin-Soo Choo Indians OF Carlos Lee Astros OF Julio Borbon Rangers Util Albert Pujols Cardinals Util Juan Pierre White Sox SP Roy Halladay Phillies SP Dan Haren Dbacks SP Wandy Rodriguez Astros RP Mariano Rivera Yankees RP Joakim Soria Royals P Brad Lidge Phillies P Jonathan Sanchez Giants P Aaron Harang Reds BN Brad Hawpe Rockies BN Adrian Beltre Red Sox BN Joe Blanton Phillies BN Brad Penny Cardinals BN Rafael Furcal Dodgers BN Matt Guerrier Twins BN Homer Bailey Reds
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 25, 2010 13:28:46 GMT -5
No one on my roster is untouchable (except for maybe Doc) Shoot me a PM or an email if you wanna talk about someone.... (twita cheers) exactly as it should be. if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Mar 25, 2010 13:36:51 GMT -5
C Russell Martin Dodgers 1B Ryan Howard Phillies 2B Ian Stewart Rockies SS Derek Jeter Yankees 3B Chipper Jones Braves OF Shin-Soo Choo Indians OF Carlos Lee Astros OF Julio Borbon Rangers Util Albert Pujols Cardinals Util Juan Pierre White Sox SP Roy Halladay Phillies SP Dan Haren Dbacks SP Wandy Rodriguez Astros RP Mariano Rivera Yankees RP Joakim Soria Royals P Brad Lidge Phillies P Jonathan Sanchez Giants P Aaron Harang Reds BN Brad Hawpe Rockies BN Adrian Beltre Red Sox BN Joe Blanton Phillies BN Brad Penny Cardinals BN Rafael Furcal Dodgers BN Matt Guerrier Twins BN Homer Bailey Reds speaking of rosters... in the individual team threads, i will only update the first post with a few things. the 15 minor leaguers, or 20 after june...any future draft picks dealt or acquired...and in future seasons, the 8 keepers. that said, it's not a bad idea for each of us to post their beginning major league roster (post draft, pre other moves) in their individual threads. it's not something that needs to be updated w/ every move during the season...more just for reference.
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Post by guaranteeed on Mar 25, 2010 13:53:32 GMT -5
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