Vote - Minor League Draft - Part 2

[Yanks27Sox9]

We voted 9-2 to change the Minor League Draft format/order moving forward. So even if the 12th vote came in for the status quo, we'd still have reached the 75% requirement to make this significant change to the rules.
In any case, I've included 3 drafting options. If there's a different version you prefer, I'll add it to the mix...thus the "something else" category...but based upon comments, I've hopefully got things covered here.
Lastly, just to be clear, this would have to be instituted beginning with the 2015 Minor League Draft. Because this issue hasn't already been decided, it's too late to make the change effective for this year/2014.

[Coffee's 4 Closers Only]

Thanks for posting this vote. I voted for the second option and see there are already 2 votes for the first. My only concern with the 1st and 3rd options is the inherent incentive for teams to tank on purpose for the benefit of a higher draft pick. Someone in 10th or 11th place would have the incentive to tank to finish in 12th, thus jeopardizing the integrity of the league for those competing for top 3 finishes. The second option is the only one, in my view, that truly incentives as strong of a finish as possible and thus keeps competition at its highest. Just my thought.

[Yanks27Sox9]

i kinda agree. haven't made up my mind yet though.

one thing i do know for sure is that this year's draft is going to demonstrate exactly why the minor league draft was never all that important back in the day. the last 2 or 3 years changed things, as there was obviously solid talent available...but this year reverts back to one of the weakest i can recall.

(that happens though when more & more owners pay attention and pick up the hot prospects during the season.)

[orionbraun]

Jan 24, 2014 3:27:33 GMT -5 Coffee's 4 Closers Only said:

Thanks for posting this vote. I voted for the second option and see there are already 2 votes for the first. My only concern with the 1st and 3rd options is the inherent incentive for teams to tank on purpose for the benefit of a higher draft pick. Someone in 10th or 11th place would have the incentive to tank to finish in 12th, thus jeopardizing the integrity of the league for those competing for top 3 finishes. The second option is the only one, in my view, that truly incentives as strong of a finish as possible and thus keeps competition at its highest. Just my thought.

Yeah, I guess I am indifferent between one and two. I can see arguments for both. I voted for #1, but would change my vote if I represented the swing vote. I just like the idea of having #4 pick first, as it's an incentive to stay engaged, rather than tank.

[guaranteeed]

Jan 24, 2014 10:50:40 GMT -5 orionbraun said:

Jan 24, 2014 3:27:33 GMT -5 Coffee's 4 Closers Only said:

Thanks for posting this vote. I voted for the second option and see there are already 2 votes for the first. My only concern with the 1st and 3rd options is the inherent incentive for teams to tank on purpose for the benefit of a higher draft pick. Someone in 10th or 11th place would have the incentive to tank to finish in 12th, thus jeopardizing the integrity of the league for those competing for top 3 finishes. The second option is the only one, in my view, that truly incentives as strong of a finish as possible and thus keeps competition at its highest. Just my thought.

Yeah, I guess I am indifferent between one and two. I can see arguments for both. I voted for #1, but would change my vote if I represented the swing vote. I just like the idea of having #4 pick first, as it's an incentive to stay engaged, rather than tank.

same situation for me if it comes to that

[Coffee's 4 Closers Only]

Yeah John, no kidding about this year's Minors draft. It's terrible. I pick second and am having a hard time deciding. Gone are the days of Puig going 5th!

[Yanks27Sox9]

4 to 4 between the first 2 options...4 votes remaining.

[Yanks27Sox9]

so what version is this gonna be?

[fondybadger]

Aug 3, 2014 0:22:22 GMT -5 Yanks27Sox9 said:

so what version is this gonna be?

With us split between the top choices I have a suggestion for an option that isn't listed that combines the two options.

I think we all agree that the first pick should be the 4th place team and the draft's 10-12th picks should be the previous season's 3rd, 2nd, and 1st.

We're we different if it should be something like 4, 5, 6, 7 or 4, 5, 6, 12. My suggestion is to change it every year based on a clear line in the standings that appears between the teams each season to make an incentive for teams to keep trying. In some seasons we may just reward the 4th place team or the top or maybe the 7th and 8th place team.

For example if the season ended today for the 2015 draft we'd go 4, 5, 6 (70.5pts), 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7 (58pts), 3, 2, 1 -- We reverse the order with the top team that is basically out of it.

If we look at the 2013 season the 3rd place team had 83 points, 5th place team had 80.5 points, and 6th place team had 69.5 points. Gap between the 5th and 6th place team. So draft would go 4, 5, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 3, 2, 1

If we look at the 2012 season 3rd place had 90.5 points and 4th had 85.5, 5th 8t, and 6th place had 63.5 points. Again a gap between 5th and 6th. So draft would go 4, 5, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 3, 2, 1

If we look at the 2011 season the 5th place team had 80 points and the 6th place team had 56 points. So draft would go 4, 5, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 3, 2, 1

In we look at the 2010 season the 5th place team had 82 points and the 6th place team 58 points. So draft would go 4, 5, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 3, 2, 1

Basically I want to reward the teams in some manner that are pushing things to the end who are left out of the money. Tanking will already get a team a better major league pick so at least make it worthwhile for teams that don't.

[Yanks27Sox9]

too involved for me, but i do appreciate the input. bottom line, i get it...but i want the same order every year...cut & dry.

anyhow...we definitely all seem to agree that the draft starts 4/5/6...and ends 3/2/1...but what about the middle 6 picks?
12/11/10 get rewarded for finishing at the bottom by being at the top of every round of the major league draft...and that's huge. i want 7/8/9 to have something if they continue trying down the stretch, which is why i greatly prefer them following 4/5/6 in this minor league draft.

nevertheless, since it's such a close vote...and that others have posted that they can go either way &/or change their pick...if this doesn't get resolved soon...i'm just gonna go with 4/5/6/7/8/9/10/11/12/3/2/1 for 2015. (throwing it out there in case anyone's working on a deadline trade over the next 2 weeks, so you'll know what to expect.)

[Coffee's 4 Closers Only]

I'm not sure if the poll reflects the latest discussion, but I for one strongly support the format John listed directly above, and for the reasons listed. Also, I didn't know about this discussion until running across it on the site. I just hope it's a legitimate vote that everyone had a chance to consider.

[Yanks27Sox9]

ha, no shit. if anyone wants to start over with this, lmk. speak now, or forever hold your peace.

[fondybadger]

I'm definitely okay with your thoughts/changes.