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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 26, 2019 0:47:17 GMT -5
#1 for when we return:
I want to reduce the June draft in 2019 to 36 picks...3 rounds. I'm not going to unilaterally do it, so we will discuss. That said, I'm not backing any radical change to how we've operated over the years.
Also, there has been one pick already traded after the 3rd Rd in 2019, so any change will require that specific owner's consent (not just the majority). So if we can't get there, for whatever reason, I'll make the change effective in 2020.
That was from the end of the 2018 June draft thread, in case you didn't see it. Lets discuss it here. Hopefully we can decide on a revised direction to take sometime before the season. Thanks.
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Post by fondybadger on Feb 26, 2019 22:54:35 GMT -5
Can we also have a rule change that we can keep more than 3 June picks in we cut into our 15 man minor league roster? Currently with trades we can go 16 + 4 or 14 + 6. Can we do 12 + 6 or 16 + 2?
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 27, 2019 2:15:45 GMT -5
Can we also have a rule change that we can keep more than 3 June picks in we cut into our 15 man minor league roster? Currently with trades we can go 16 + 4 or 14 + 6. Can we do 12 + 6 or 16 + 2? Haven't thought about it. I'd probably allow a greater variance than +/- 1, but maybe not quite that far. Besides improving the June draft, this will have the added benefit of improving the minor league draft as well...since our rosters are limited, and we can't pick up after 8/1. |
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Post by trueblue on Feb 27, 2019 15:50:56 GMT -5
i think the biggest issue with the June Draft is engagement. If we have scheduled time slot picks after the 2nd/3rd round, that could potentially solve the issue? I only say this cause i like having 5 draft picks and have found some 4th/5th rd gems in the past. I'm in the camp that believes you should be rewarded if you do your research vs apathetically drafting a future mid-reliever or LOOGY.
That said, wouldn't break my heart to have 3 rounds - just less fun.
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Post by orionbraun on Feb 27, 2019 18:53:26 GMT -5
Generally agree with True. I don't have strong opinion on this. I'd PROBABLY vote to keep it the same way, but wouldn't say I'm OPPOSED to changing to 3 picks.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 27, 2019 20:26:40 GMT -5
most owners don't seem to care after the first couple of rounds. can't imagine a time slot would make it any different, as they still allowed the clocks to run out on them...and never came back. that's a giant f-ing time slot ignored.
don't remember the details, but i assigned at least a half a round's picks to various teams...including some as i began to set shit up for this season. probably did the same the previous year, if i remember correctly.
bottom line, too much is telling/showing me that the june draft is too long. it's not a matter of "if" june is changing, it's only "when" it'll be changing...and "how" it'll be changing.
any gems will still be there on the waiver wire, or in the february draft, for whoever pays attention. and since we all have a finite roster, it makes who we all hold onto all the more important.
shit, just look at all the minor league cuts every feb 15th...
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 27, 2019 20:36:06 GMT -5
missing picks:
4-1-37 = Teeed = Grayson Rodriguez, P - BAL
4-2-38 = Smoke = Ryan Rolison, P - COL
4-7-43 = Jimmy = Daniel Lynch, P - KC
4-12-48 = OB = Cadyn Grenier, SS - BAL
5-2-49 = Smoke = Jake McCarthy, OF - AZ
5-7-53 = Jimmy = Kris Bubic, P - KC
5-12-58 = OB = Griffin Roberts, P - STL
6-12-59 = OB = Sean Hjelle, P - SF
7-12-60 = OB = Lyon Richardson, P - CIN
I assigned those picks in January. A time slot wouldn't have made a difference, as there was zero interest late in the draft. It's always like that. We had to push to even get that close to being done, and it took forever.
OB traded back, so obviously dropped 4 of his 5 June picks (the assigned ones). But True made all is picks, many of them solid picks, yet still dropped 4 of 5 this Feb.
Just for reference...Fondy kept 3, and he traded up...while I kept 2 from June.
The roster limit/size is much more of an issue than enjoying looking for gems late in the June draft. They're all mostly dropped anyways.
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Post by Smokedawg on Feb 27, 2019 21:18:23 GMT -5
Generally the picks after round three are trash. Went through and looked at the past drafts and there were maybe 7 or 8 worthwhile prospects total drafted after round three and I’m not evens sure some of those were kept the following season.
My holdup would be with what it would to rebuilding teams who wanted to trade for extra picks. If you’re first or second in the draft and you trade for a 1st round pick all the sudden there’s no point to make another trade to get say another second round pick.
I’d go to a clock or pick window from round 4 on and if you don’t make your pick by the end of the draft you forfeit the roster spot. I.e. last year I woulda just ended up with 3 June picks (with no ability to make any use of the two spots I didn’t fill)
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Post by trueblue on Feb 28, 2019 1:40:51 GMT -5
missing picks:
4-1-37 = Teeed = Grayson Rodriguez, P - BAL
4-2-38 = Smoke = Ryan Rolison, P - COL
4-7-43 = Jimmy = Daniel Lynch, P - KC
4-12-48 = OB = Cadyn Grenier, SS - BAL
5-2-49 = Smoke = Jake McCarthy, OF - AZ
5-7-53 = Jimmy = Kris Bubic, P - KC
5-12-58 = OB = Griffin Roberts, P - STL
6-12-59 = OB = Sean Hjelle, P - SF
7-12-60 = OB = Lyon Richardson, P - CINI assigned those picks in January. A time slot wouldn't have made a difference, as there was zero interest late in the draft. It's always like that. We had to push to even get that close to being done, and it took forever. OB traded back, so obviously dropped 4 of his 5 June picks (the assigned ones). But True made all is picks, many of them solid picks, yet still dropped 4 of 5 this Feb. Just for reference...Fondy kept 3, and he traded up...while I kept 2 from June. The roster limit/size is much more of an issue than enjoying looking for gems late in the June draft. They're all mostly dropped anyways. I know you know this, but LY's class was.. woof Btw - Daniel Lynch was a solid auto pick. I'd take him over some guys that are on rosters now.. |
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Post by Coffee's 4 Closers Only on Feb 28, 2019 2:28:27 GMT -5
Great discussion, guys. I don't really have a strong opinion. I do agree that after 3 rounds those players usually get cut. One caveat is when to stop the draft. If for some reason a team picks up 3 picks within the first 1.5 rounds, there still might be worthwhile players out there they'd be prohibited from drafting. And I'll add that whatever is decided for June, that it should not have any impact on the following Feb draft. The number of good players in Feb is surprisingly usually strong, as this year's draft showed. And last year I draft Minter, Luzardo and Graterol. I know others have experienced successful Feb drafts too.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Feb 28, 2019 14:23:37 GMT -5
Yeah, good discussion.
Smoke hit on the one drawback of me changing things. By going from 20 to 18 total, and 5 to 3 in June (theoretically), I could/would be making it tougher on a rebuilding team.
Whatever happens, every roster will be the same size though. Any missed picks will still be assigned whoever the top player remaining from the actual draft.
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Post by Yanks27Sox9 on Aug 7, 2019 22:34:42 GMT -5
I'm leaving the June draft alone, because it went well this year.
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